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10-19-2006, 12:26 PM
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Review - Apexi's FC Commander Pro.
I have had my power fc on my Zenki SR for four months
now and after giving up on FC-Edit crew from australia ever replying to my emails I decided I will take a "chance" and buy the FC Commander Pro. This is basicly a PC version of the hand commander with the added functionality of Dataloging and the ability to save maps and upload them to the ECU. It also has the map trace function and will mark pinging cells while tracing. This is a tool for those that want to self tune their cars when a Excel dealer is not near you but is also nice to have just to be able to see what your car is doing. For all the PFC users that do not own a Datalogit box , and for those still waiting for the FC Tune Version all they have left is the commander or their nearest power excel dealer. I have got my car tuned quite well using the commander but it is, literally, a pain to work with it although it grows on you after a while. Another downside of not owning the datalogit is not having the WB inputs and other outputs and a autotune feature. I own a innovate LC-1 and datalog the values via their supplied software. Although there is no way to log the lc-1 data in the Apexi software that is not a big deal at all. Mapping fuel is the easiest part about tuning as it is pretty obvious what you need. Timing, well that is an entirely different story. Now that I have this I will proceed with my engine upgrades and get more dyno time to really dial in my car. I will be flying a tuner over from england to do the final mapping. Here are screen shots of the software from the DATA window which allows offline modification of the settings and the LOG section which shows the saved datalogs. The Communication section is actually the two previous sections merged into one but it is an ONLINE mode that shows realtime data and controls dataloging and allows modifications to the maps. The maps contain data that I used just to get a linear map and is not a fully tuned map!!!! I recommend that you get your car tuned by a professional tuning shop if you have one near you but If you do not and want to take on the task of self tuning, do it right! Be patient! READ about it as much as is humanly possible! Study other peoples maps, try and understand what they did with them! If you have a question, ask! Baby steps! Buy a WIDEBAND! Buy/Make Det cans! get your friends to help and get on a dyno! ******************************************** The Images below contain mapping data that may cause damage to your car if you try to apply them. Neither I nor Freshalloy.com can be held responsible if you use the settings in the images and blow up you engine!!!! If you use them it is at your own risk ***********************************************              
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10-19-2006, 01:15 PM
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Very cool! While I could probably do a little searching, Ill just ask here - is the Commander Pro available for anyone to purchase? How does its pricepoint compare to Datalogit? If its close I would be interested in purchasing it as it would make tuning tremendously easier and to actually have useful datalogging would be great.
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10-19-2006, 03:25 PM
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is this the same one found here:
http://www.nengun.com/catalogue/product/800 hopefully the link will show up, it shows that it is discontinued, as in, do not buy?
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10-19-2006, 03:29 PM
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looks like a commercial version of the excel software, slightly diluted and mostlikely engine type specific.
an australian poster and i discussed about a year ago (?) on the commader pro. usage or on-line support is like password protected for the purchaser. you whited out the juicy parts. apex-i finally caught up with reytech and e-manage. (for pc interface) i believe excel software allows wb input and they are not engine specific, but supposed to be distributed to dealers only. although useless without a communication cable, bootlegged copies are available.
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10-19-2006, 03:55 PM
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What is the ballpark of this? Isnt datalogit better? If i cant view the WB input, why is the advantageous over the datalogit? Why is it engine specific?
thanks! Pete
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10-19-2006, 04:13 PM
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commander pro is, i believe engine and user specific. just so the excel dealers won't complain. commander pro software is downloaded after the purchase of the hardwares, i think. product key is included with the hardwares and password is used to identify the end-user. since power fc units (hardware) are engine specific, issued softwares do not need to be universal. make sense?
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10-19-2006, 04:38 PM
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10-19-2006, 06:33 PM
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FC Commander pro is available for everyone to purchase.
Any authorized excel dealer can get it for you. DO NOT BUY FROM JAPAN! you will get the japanese version!! Buy from a US Dealer. I got it for $275 + S/H. I think it is worth it especially since I have not been able to recive a reply from the auzies in 3 or 4 months!! It is a commercial, "detuned" version of the power excel software. If you can get the datalogit, get it as it makes life a little easier and has some extra features. for what I need the power fc has all the functions I need.Others may need more but after using the pfc for 6 years on various cars all I can say is that it gives all I need. At the end of the day, the tuner makes the difference. As for WB input, I have an LC-1 hooked up to the car all the time with a small digital display showing values. I datalogg the AFR with the supplied software on my PC and make needed changes and that is it for the fuel map. I datalogg with the FCCP at the same time ofcourse. Would having WB input into the datalogging be better? yes but I have managed just fine without this feature as can everyone else since the data is being logged you do not have to keep an eye on it. Would autotune be an advantage? YES! but again I make the point that it is easier but not something that allows for a better tune. This is not engine specific and will connect to a lot ofversions of PFC but not all. Here is Apexi Japans site with pfc models and the on the right it shows if it is supported by FC COMMANDER PRO or not. http://www.apexera.co.jp/carlife/pro...cs/linup2.html Last edited by johnc; 10-19-2006 at 06:51 PM.
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10-19-2006, 06:38 PM
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10-19-2006, 06:55 PM
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10-19-2006, 07:06 PM
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Jetdriver,
The reason is this: RX7.com being a distributor for the US does not help me much. I am from Israel . I asked rx7.com about the latest PFC revision , if it is supported and that I want to buy the box but they never got back to me. If a company, datalogit or whatever they are called, has a site, lists a contact email and tells you to contact them with questions, even non technical q's, I think they should reply at some point to one of my 12 emails. I have sent them through various mail accounts and received delivery confirmation but no reply and I am not the only one in the world that has the same problem with them. My friend that actually got their box a year ago now has problems and no one to talk to. All the dealers he contacted told him to contact the auzies , actually from new zealand, directly since he did not buy from them. So I decided that being as I had everything I need and there is now an alternative I would go ahead and buy it and it is great. Last edited by johnc; 10-19-2006 at 07:14 PM.
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10-20-2006, 04:36 PM
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So then the two are similar, but not exaclty, the pricing is about the same. But the Pro has support. Im wondering if i had real questions about it that someone could help anyways? There are SOME datalogit users here, and it accpets the wideband, so i can simultaniously datalog the o2 and all engine perameters, right?
Thanks agian Pete
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10-21-2006, 01:40 AM
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yes.
Get the datalogit if you can. Wideband integration is a plus. The datalogit has extra features and access to area that apexi d not allow access to in the pfc. Witht that said, FC commander pro has everything I will ever need and since I datalog my WB along with the fc commander dataloging I am not lacking any info. Last edited by johnc; 10-21-2006 at 01:47 AM.
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