1800hp VQ

[XtremeRaceCars]

Just wanted to let everyone know we have made over 1800hp realiably on the VQ engine with twin Garrett GT4088R turbos. This was done on a Gasoline (C16) not alchol.

[helldorado]

Wow. I don't even know where to start with the questions!

But do you build engines for us mortals too?

[XtremeRaceCars]

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thank you william perdigon

[Viper350Z]

That's really awesome.
Got any videos? I want to see it run!

[HKSPWRDZ]

Originally Posted by Viper350Z

That's really awesome.
Got any videos? I want to see it run!

+1 on the videos

[XtremeRaceCars]

It has since been 6.72 @ 212 I have to upload the videos. It was also on a DynoJet 5 weeks ago that it pegged I will post the videos soon.

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

Wow, really impressive output from the VQ! Personally I'd like to know what parts you are using and what modifications to the block and crank you found necessary.

Also, from your experience, what HP level do you think will be achievable for a daily drivable, relieable street vehicle with the VQ (without sleeving, custom crank and the like)? I know there's a lot of people out there wanting Supra-like numbers from their Z's, like 1000+hp.

Thanks,
Fred

[XtremeRaceCars]

Originally Posted by Fred_Allen_Burge

Wow, really impressive output from the VQ! Personally I'd like to know what parts you are using and what modifications to the block and crank you found necessary.

Also, from your experience, what HP level do you think will be achievable for a daily drivable, relieable street vehicle with the VQ (without sleeving, custom crank and the like)? I know there's a lot of people out there wanting Supra-like numbers from their Z's, like 1000+hp.

Thanks,
Fred

Fred,

The VQ has much more power potential than the 2J found in the supra. This is due to the fact that the stock VQ cylinder head flow about 20 more CFM than a ported 2J. It also has the obvious .5 more displacement.

We have crankshaft modifications we found to be necessary as well as a slew of block mods, head mods, custom cams, vavlve covers, adjustable timing gears etc etc. We also have developed CNC programs for the Cylinder head porting.

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

Originally Posted by XtremeRaceCars

The VQ has much more power potential than the 2J found in the supra. This is due to the fact that the stock VQ cylinder head flow about 20 more CFM than a ported 2J.

That's very interesting info right there, a lot of VQ users will like the sound of that!

I won't waste your time with a lot of PM's, I'm only asking out of curiousity. I'm not going to be able to afford what it takes to make 1000+hp from a VQ any time soon I just like to dream about it!

Fred

[XtremeRaceCars]

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thank you william perdigon

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

Thanks, I appreciate the good attitude. By the way, do you have any pics of your motor outside the chassis? I'm dying to see the heart of the beast.

Fred

[Miami240]

I have a couple of questions. I want to get the VQ to spin and make power upto 8500rpm. Other than the basics (rods, valvetrain, cams), does any of the oiling system need modifications? And would you happen to know exactly a VQ head flows? I see that Cosworth says 346cfm but that's pretty high IMO. What spec cams do you recommend as the least aggressive to make power that high in rpm range? The setup will consist of twin t3/60-1's with equal length tubular turbo manifolds with prioritized wastegate placement and a custom dual plenum intake manifold tuned with a standalone and 750cc injectors converted to return.

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

Originally Posted by Miami240

I have a couple of questions. I want to get the VQ to spin and make power upto 8500rpm. Other than the basics (rods, valvetrain, cams), does any of the oiling system need modifications? And would you happen to know exactly a VQ head flows? I see that Cosworth says 346cfm but that's pretty high IMO. What spec cams do you recommend as the least aggressive to make power that high in rpm range? The setup will consist of twin t3/60-1's with equal length tubular turbo manifolds with prioritized wastegate placement and a custom dual plenum intake manifold tuned with a standalone and 750cc injectors converted to return.

Cool sounding setup! I take it your going for a low boost high RPM setup, like an N/A motor but with a little boost? Have you seen the Cosworth XFE motor's turbo setup? It was in SCC a few months back and had what I think your are talking about with the "prioritized wastegate placement". Very unique approach.

Fred

[Miami240]

Originally Posted by Fred_Allen_Burge

Cool sounding setup! I take it your going for a low boost high RPM setup, like an N/A motor but with a little boost? Have you seen the Cosworth XFE motor's turbo setup? It was in SCC a few months back and had what I think your are talking about with the "prioritized wastegate placement". Very unique approach.

Fred

Yea, that's what i want. I'm not into high torque, low revving motors. I am looking for something very similar to honda engines. I want to keep torque low and make hp through rpm. I'm all about effecient power. The motor will remain stock for now so i think i can make 500+ very easily just by keeping the peak torque numbers low. This will be going into my 240sx. I just recently switched over from my KA24de. Here's a picture of the last turbo manifold i made for my KA but didn't get to use it.

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

That's awesome work man, very nice looking fabrication. What psi do you think you'll need for 500hp at your 8500 RPM?

Fred

[Miami240]

Originally Posted by Fred_Allen_Burge

That's awesome work man, very nice looking fabrication. What psi do you think you'll need for 500hp at your 8500 RPM?

Fred

Thanks for the compliments man. Seriously, i'm not too sure about power with this motor since i've only began to research it. I have seen some people crank out 500hp with about 10-11psi now with smaller turbos and crappy cast manifolds so hopefully when it's at the point where it's revving to 8500, i'm hoping for maybe 500 at 7psi.... but till then, i'll be happy with 10psi and revving to 7200.

[XtremeRaceCars]

We have found at high rpm the stock bearings fail. It is very apparent even in stock street apps. I have disassembled normal un modded motors that have had worn bearings with low miles.

We developed a hard back coated bearing that has a 260 degree oil channel rather than the stock 180 deg style that doesn;t evenly distribute oil to the bearing.

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

Have you guys experimented at all with the new VQ40 crank? I hear it's only 250$ new at Nissan, could make for some interesting hybrid setups.

Fred

[240x2]

Holy Power VQman ,thats nice ...now this my question ,are we ever gonna be able to see this car runs againts :

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Man this would gimme a hard on lol ,both are nice cars ...plz make my dream come true and race u guys race :hsdance:

[XtremeRaceCars]

Originally Posted by 240x2

Holy Power VQman ,thats nice ...now this my question ,are we ever gonna be able to see this car runs againts :

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Man this would gimme a hard on lol ,both are nice cars ...plz make my dream come true and race u guys race :hsdance:

It would be nice however that car has since crashed. They actually built 2 new ones but I don't know what has happened since.

We actually race in Pro Outlaw Rwd that car races Pro RWD. The differance being our car ran a best of 6.72 @ 212 on 61mm turbo running gasoline at 2850lbs. That car has run a best of 6.63 @ 215 on 76mm turbo, methanol at 2350lbs. If you do the math we are making about 200-300 more hp on smaller turbos and gas.

We will c what happens next season, we may just have a new lighter car with 76's on meth.

However we wanna get the car in the 6.50 range on gas at 2850lbs!

[Driver11324]

I went to his shop on Long Island about a month ago and one of them is almost ready it just needs paint and vinyl, the other is still a tube frame. The shop is amazing there.

[VK45DE]

Originally Posted by XtremeRaceCars

Just wanted to let everyone know we have made over 1800hp realiably on the VQ engine with twin Garrett GT4088R turbos. This was done on a Gasoline (C16) not alchol. We have developed CNC head packages, Cams, Blocks, Cranks & Hard Back race bearings.

1800hp on a 3.5? Nice... but heads. blocks, cams, cranks& bearings.... you guys just developed your own engine already

[240x2]

I read somewhere in a magazine that the performance motorsport 350Z was hitting 1,800 whp + ...same as yours ...well around there! ,that car has ran an unoficial 6.4 at 1/4 mile from what I heard also... not to start a bust in your bubbles thread but I like them both ,congrats on a job well done but still I would like to see them race hehe

[XtremeRaceCars]

It may happen if they show up at a race this coming year, no one saw them last year! Anyways if you check this link out http://www.tciauto.com/Products/Tech...alculators.asp
they weigh 2350 and went 215 thats about 1800 on meth We went 212 @ 2850 thats over 2100hp on gas!!

Anyways its all in good fun. I really hope they show up as the sport can use more racers not just people building cars!

[240x2]

Originally Posted by XtremeRaceCars

It may happen if they show up at a race this coming year, no one saw them last year! Anyways if you check this link out http://www.tciauto.com/Products/Tech...alculators.asp
they weigh 2350 and went 215 thats about 1800 on meth We went 212 @ 2850 thats over 2100hp on gas!!

Anyways its all in good fun. I really hope they show up as the sport can use more racers not just people building cars!

Lol Im kind of skeptics with the calculator ,I put on the Weight & HP of one my autos 240sx which is bout 2720 and 155 hp and it gave me a result of 14.87 1/4 mile time and 90.05 mph HOLY SHIAT I didnt know my car was that fast

[wootwoot]

^^^ it would be if you had a manual transmission, a perfect 60 foot, and actually 155hp

[240x2]

Originally Posted by wootwoot

^^^ it would be if you had a manual transmission, a perfect 60 foot, and actually 155hp

Lets see ,what do I need in order to have perfect 60ft w/o hp & tq? Other than slicks ?

[osofast240]

Originally Posted by XtremeRaceCars

It may happen if they show up at a race this coming year, no one saw them last year! Anyways if you check this link out http://www.tciauto.com/Products/Tech...alculators.asp
they weigh 2350 and went 215 thats about 1800 on meth We went 212 @ 2850 thats over 2100hp on gas!!

Anyways its all in good fun. I really hope they show up as the sport can use more racers not just people building cars!

First I want to congratulate you for being the 2nd person in a Nissan to the 6 second club and the 200mph club. the car wieghed 2490Lbs without driver. the turbos were 72mm. this is the type of motor a customer gets in a street 350z or g35. 6.667@215 not too shabby for a street motor. i look forward to seeing the video? done with my oil pan yet?

[350CTZEE]

Originally Posted by osofast240

First I want to congratulate you for being the 2nd person in a Nissan to the 6 second club and the 200mph club. the car wieghed 2490Lbs without driver. the turbos were 72mm. this is the type of motor a customer gets in a street 350z or g35. 6.667@215 not too shabby for a street motor. i look forward to seeing the video? done with my oil pan yet?

I should know, as I have one of those VTR/s beast under my hood?

Congrats +1

Absolutely, videos of the moment, please.

G

[XtremeRaceCars]

Originally Posted by osofast240

First I want to congratulate you for being the 2nd person in a Nissan to the 6 second club and the 200mph club. the car wieghed 2490Lbs without driver. the turbos were 72mm. this is the type of motor a customer gets in a street 350z or g35. 6.667@215 not too shabby for a street motor. i look forward to seeing the video? done with my oil pan yet?

Vic,

Regardless we are heavier with smaller turbos on gas, we make more power period... Not trying to start a pissing contest nor am i trying to steel your glory/motor work, just stating facts.

[XtremeRaceCars]

Originally Posted by osofast240

First I want to congratulate you for being the 2nd person in a Nissan to the 6 second club and the 200mph club. the car wieghed 2490Lbs without driver. the turbos were 72mm. this is the type of motor a customer gets in a street 350z or g35. 6.667@215 not too shabby for a street motor. i look forward to seeing the video? done with my oil pan yet?

Hey thats the first person in a Steal, to scale 350z on Gas not a Zalier!!

[Nietzsche]

What can you do for a NA FWD VQ? Needs to be reliable and run on 92 octane.

[NYkoukiS14]

Originally Posted by XtremeRaceCars

Vic,

When is he coming out of hidding any way the rumor mill is starting to over flow down there in LI

thats is exactly what they are, RUMORS... it will all be cleared up very soon.

[InfiNissan Lover]

Congratulations on the 1,800HP Z!!! It is an awesome sight, especially for a person who loves Nissan as much as I do. I always kept hearing how VQ motors couldn't take this and couldn't take that, can't take NoS, or how they "grenaded" on the track so watching the video was a joy for me.

I think that the Z and the Supra have always been in direct competition with each other since they were first introduced into the automotive world. So what would a great Z race time be without a similar one from a Supra .

I give you guys the dragon! LoL! It sure sounds and breathes like one!

[KelekonaKustoms]

congrats on building that beast!!

i have a question, can some of the parts you developed be used in NA setups for streetable cars or daily drivers? what kind of numbers can we expect from a NA engine with some of these mods?

[willy]

I saw that car in modified! Awesome work!!! My twins are about ready for a built motor...perhaps you guys will be able to help? : )

Awesome job!!!

[PooFlinginMonkey]

You can sleeve a quad 4 and make 1200hp but it will cost you big bucks.

The VQ engines mentioned showing huge hp are steel sleeved (most likely darton sleeved) blocks that are further modded such that just the short block of a high hp vq35 goes for 10 grand.




You can price yourself one here but the same money that gets you 1400hp on a VQ engine will net you 2,000 hp on an american V-8.

http://www.pocketrocketsracing.com/nivq35mag35.html

[z-bail]

so if i've got a 2008 g35s daily driver can i put a turbo or twin turbos on without upgrading anything else? right now stock i'm running 13.8 and would love to just be able to hit high 12's...
I figure I need about another hundred horsepower right?
Any input would be great!

[osofast240]

Originally Posted by z-bail

so if i've got a 2008 g35s daily driver can i put a turbo or twin turbos on without upgrading anything else? right now stock i'm running 13.8 and would love to just be able to hit high 12's...
I figure I need about another hundred horsepower right?
Any input would be great!

yep a turbo system would do it

[miamispeedinG35S]

this thread rox... i love those videos, i wish my car sounded like that